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- droberts@alfred.carleton.ca (David Roberts) writes:
-
- Those who are think that MDA and MDMA are not neurotoxic may find the
- following references helpful:
-
- Axt KJ, Mullen CA, Molliver ME (1992) Cytopathologic features indicative
- of 5-hydroxytryptamine axon degeneration are observed in rat brain after
- administration of d- and l-methylenedioxyamphetamine. Ann. NY Acad.
- Sci. 648: 244-247
-
- Battaglia G, Yeh SY, O'Hearn E, Molliver ME, Kuhar MJ, DeSouza EB (1987)
- 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine and 3,4-methyleneamphetamine destroy
- terminals in rat brain: quantification of neurodegeneration by measurement
- of [3H]-paroxetine labelled seroto nin uptake sites. J. Pharm. exp.
- Ther. 242: 911-916
-
- Battaglia G, Sharkey J, Kuhar MJ, De Souza EB (1991) Neuroanatomic
- specificity and time course of alterations in rat brain serotonergic
- pathways induced by MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine): Assessment
- using quantitative autoradiography. Synapse 8 : 249-260
-
- Johnson M, Stone DM, Bush LG, Hanson GR, Gibb JW (1989) Glucocorticoids
- and 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDMA)-induced neurotoxicity. Eur. J.
- Pharmacol. 161: 181-188
-
- Johnson MP, Huang X, Nichols DE (1991) Serotonin neurotoxicity in rats
- after combined treatment with a dopaminergic agent followed by a
- nonneurotoxic 3, 4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) analogue.
- Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 40: 915-922
-
- Johnson MP, Nichols DE (1991) Combined administration of a non-neurotoxic
- 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine analogue with amphetamine produces
- serotonin neurotoxicity in rats. Neuropharmacology 30: 819-822
-
- Markert LE, Roberts DCS (1991) 3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA)
- self-administration and neurotoxicity. Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 39:
- 569-574
-
- McBean DE, Sharkey J, Ritchie IM, Kelly PAT (1990) Chronic effects of the
- selective serotoninergic neurotoxin, methylenedioxyamphetamine, upon
- cerebral function. Neuroscience 38: 271-275
-
- Nash JF, Yamamoto BK (1992) Methamphetamine neurotoxicity and striatal
- glutamate release: Comparison to 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Brain
- Res. 581: 237-243
-
- O'Hearn E, Battaglia G, DeSouza EB, Kuhar MJ, Molliver ME (1988)
- Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) and methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA)
- cause selective ablation of serotonergic axon terminals in forebrain:
- Immunocytochemical evidence for neurotoxicity. J. Neurosci. 8: 2788-2803
-
- Ricaurte GA, Bryan G, Strauss L, Seiden LS, Schuster CR (1985)
- Hallucenogenic amphetamine selectively destroys brain nerve terminals.
- Science 229: 986-988
-
- Ricaurte GA, Martello AL, Katz JL, Martello MB (1992) Lasting effects of
- 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) on central serotonergic neurons
- in nonhuman primates: Neurochemical observations. J. Pharmacol. Exp.
- Ther. 261: 616-622
-
- Schechter MD (1991) Effect of MDMA neurotoxicity upon its conditioned
- place preference and discrimination. Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 38:
- 539-544
-
- Schmidt CJ (1987) Neurotoxicity of the psychedelic amphetamine
- methylenedioxymethamphetamine. J. Pharm. exp. Ther. 240: 1-7
-
- Schmidt CJ, Abbate GM, Black CK, Taylor VL (1990a) Selective
- 5-hydroxytryptamine2 receptor antagonists protect against the
- neurotoxicity of methylenedioxymethamphetamine in rats. J. Pharm. exp.
- Ther. 255: 478-483
-
- Schmidt CJ, Black CK, Abbate GM, Taylor VL (1990)
- Methylenedioxymethamphetamine-induced hyperthermia and neurotoxicity are
- independently mediated by 5-HT2 receptors. Brain Res. 529: 85-90
-
- Schmidt CJ, Black CK, Abbate GM, Taylor VL (1990) Chloral hydrate
- anesthesia antagonizes the neurotoxicity of
- 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Eur. J. Pharmacol. 191: 213-216
-
- Schmidt CJ, Black CK, Taylor VL (1990) Antagonism of the neurotoxicity
- due to a single administration of methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Eur. J.
- Pharmacol. 181: 59-70
-
- Schmidt CJ, Taylor VL, Abbate GM, Nieduzak TR (1991) 5-HT2 antagonists
- stereoselectively prevent the neurotoxicity of
- 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine by blocking the acute stimulation of
- dopamine synthesis: Reversal by L-dopa. J. Pharm. exp. Ther. 25 6:
- 230-235
-
- Wilson MA, Ricaurte GA, Molliver ME (1989) Distinct morphologic classes of
- serotonergic axons in primates exhibit differential vulnerability to the
- psychotropic drug 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Neuroscience 28:
- 121-138
-
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-
- Matt (bagg@midway.uchicago.edu) writes:
-
- In his article on MDA and MDMA, droberts@alfred.carleton.ca (David Roberts)
- writes:
-
- >Those who are think that MDA and MDMA are not neurotoxic may find the
- >following references helpful:
-
- Thank you for the references. Unfortunately, these studies seem to
- be mostly concerned with the mechanism of axonal damage and not the relevance
- of high dose regimens to human use. Thus, while they are informative
- articles they don't address the issue being disputed: whether MDMA is safe
- in humans.
-
- Why not cite the few human studies which exist? Like the L-Tryptophan
- challenges and the spinal taps. And why not cite the literature
- which discusses the relevance of these studies to humans? Like
- Ricaurte's writings on fenfluramine or Charles Grob's writings on
- MDMA.
-
- >Axt KJ, Mullen CA, Molliver ME (1992) Cytopathologic features indicative
- >of 5-hydroxytryptamine axon degeneration are observed in rat brain after
- >administration of d- and l-methylenedioxyamphetamine. Ann. NY Acad.
- >Sci. 648: 244-247
-
- Note the phrase "axon degeneration." The lack of consistent use of a
- term in these references should indicate a lack of consensus about the
- best term for the phenomenon.
-
- >Battaglia G, Yeh SY, O'Hearn E, Molliver ME, Kuhar MJ, DeSouza EB (1987)
- >3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine and 3,4-methyleneamphetamine destroy
- >terminals in rat brain: quantification of neurodegeneration by measurement
- >of [3H]-paroxetine labelled seroto nin uptake sites. J. Pharm. exp.
- >Ther. 242: 911-916
- >
- >Battaglia G, Sharkey J, Kuhar MJ, De Souza EB (1991) Neuroanatomic
- >specificity and time course of alterations in rat brain serotonergic
- >pathways induced by MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine): Assessment
- >using quantitative autoradiography. Synapse 8 : 249-260
-
- 20 mg/kg 2/day for 4 days for both studies, I think. Not comparable to
- human recreational or therapeutic doses. The conclusions of this
- study were that "the predominant effects of MDMA on serotonergic
- systeems throughout the brain are mediated on 5-HT axons and terminals...
- (and that) ...not all regions may be equally vulnerable to the
- neurodegenerative effects of MDMA." Most interestingly, they found
- difference in rate of recovery.
-
- >Johnson M, Stone DM, Bush LG, Hanson GR, Gibb JW (1989) Glucocorticoids
- >and 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDMA)-induced neurotoxicity. Eur. J.
- >Pharmacol. 161: 181-188
-
- Here Gibb's lab used a single high dose (20 mg/kg). They were looking
- at the mechanism of neurodegneration by giving adrenalectomies.
-
- >Johnson MP, Huang X, Nichols DE (1991) Serotonin neurotoxicity in rats
- >after combined treatment with a dopaminergic agent followed by a
- >nonneurotoxic 3, 4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) analogue.
- >Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 40: 915-922
-
- Here, Dave Nichols lab demonstrates that DA plays a role in MDMA-induced
- neurotoxicity. It is important work, but how does it bear on the issues
- of whether MDMA neurotoxicity exists in humans, whether the axonal damage
- has any functional/behavioral correlates, and to what extent recovery
- occurs?
-
- >Johnson MP, Nichols DE (1991) Combined administration of a non-neurotoxic
- >3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine analogue with amphetamine produces
- >serotonin neurotoxicity in rats. Neuropharmacology 30: 819-822
-
- See above. By the way, Nichols believes that MDMA has therapeutic
- uses.
-
- >Markert LE, Roberts DCS (1991) 3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA)
- >self-administration and neurotoxicity. Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 39:
- >569-574
-
- Ah, now this might have some bearing on the issue. I haven't seen the study
- yet (blush), so I can't comment much. Certainly repeated injections
- of MDA across several days, as happened here, isn't the kind of behavior
- one finds much in humans, but it IS interesting to see the relationship
- between reinforcing doses and neurotoxic doses.
-
- I once tried to give cocaine-drinking rats MDMA solutions to see if they'd
- like it. Initially, they did, but then they all went cold turkey.
- The data suggests that they increased their dosage until they reached
- a dose which produced dysphoria (whether it was due to the amount taken
- or the fact that they had been taking repeated doses I cannot say). They
- all stopped by the third day. However, the doses at which they
- stopped self-administering seemed far too low to produce neurotoxicity.
- I suspect that the fact that the rats had been trained on cocaine also
- played a role in their failure to continue self-administration.
- I regret not being able to do more experiments along those lines,
- but California was calling out to me... :-)
-
- If the experimenters limited the rats' ability to self administer the MDA,
- so that their intake paralleled human patterns, then this would be
- particularly interesting. Although, frankly, I guess I don't know much
- about patterns of MDA use in humans. It is such a rare drug.
-
- Could you perhaps tell us more about this study?
-
- >McBean DE, Sharkey J, Ritchie IM, Kelly PAT (1990) Chronic effects of the
- >selective serotoninergic neurotoxin, methylenedioxyamphetamine, upon
- >cerebral function. Neuroscience 38: 271-275
-
- >Nash JF, Yamamoto BK (1992) Methamphetamine neurotoxicity and striatal
- >glutamate release: Comparison to 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Brain
- >Res. 581: 237-243
-
- This is an exploration of the gluatamate hypothesis of neurotoxicity.
- 13.8 mg/kg given 3 times (every 2 hours). Ouch!
-
- >O'Hearn E, Battaglia G, DeSouza EB, Kuhar MJ, Molliver ME (1988)
- >Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) and methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA)
- >cause selective ablation of serotonergic axon terminals in forebrain:
- >Immunocytochemical evidence for neurotoxicity. J. Neurosci. 8: 2788-2803
-
- Same Battaglia regimen as above. They found that it was the fine axons
- which were selectively damaged.
-
- >Ricaurte GA, Bryan G, Strauss L, Seiden LS, Schuster CR (1985)
- >Hallucenogenic amphetamine selectively destroys brain nerve terminals.
- >Science 229: 986-988
-
- Ah, the classic paper!
-
- >Ricaurte GA, Martello AL, Katz JL, Martello MB (1992) Lasting effects of
- >3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) on central serotonergic neurons
- >in nonhuman primates: Neurochemical observations. J. Pharmacol. Exp.
- >Ther. 261: 616-622
-
- An important piece of work. Finally, we're getting down to the monkey
- business. George Ricaurte et al found that squirrel monkeys given
- 5 mg/kg twice a day for 4 days hadn't completely recovered at 18
- months and had in fact seemingly returned to an earlier state of
- damage. Papers like this really make you realize how difficult it is
- to say when "neurotoxicity" has taken place and when it has been
- repaired.
-
- He got increases in 5-HT in one area ("hyperenervation" of the hypothalamus).
- Others have gotten similar effects with phenethylamine "neurotoxins" and it
- seems to happen in the areas from which the neurons originate, as if new
- growth sprouts out from there. And he also got partial recovery
- (63% of controls) of 5-HT levels in the thalamus. But all the other
- sites looked as if they were down at what you'd expect 2 weeks after
- the high dose regimen.
-
- At one point he basically says that we have no idea what is happening
- here. I'll second that. Importantly, he has still-unpublished (I think)
- data that fails to find any neurotoxic effects from a less punishing,
- human-like regimen.
-
- >Schechter MD (1991) Effect of MDMA neurotoxicity upon its conditioned
- >place preference and discrimination. Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 38:
- >539-544
-
- This is interesting. They trained rats to discriminate 1.5 mg/kg MDMA
- from vehicle and then established that the same dose produced
- conditioned place preference, meaning the rats liked it. Then, they
- gave the Battaglia regimen of 20 mg/kg 2/day for 4 days. They
- found that the high dose regimen didn't change the place preference,
- but did make the rats more sensitive to 1.0 mg/kg on the discrimination
- task.
-
- Note the difference between giving single injections of 1.5 mg/kg and
- giving 8 injections of 20 mg/kg. One is pleasurable and probably not
- damaging, the other is damaging and unpleasurable. The question then
- is whether there are pleasurable and damaging doses. There are
- probably pleasurable and damaging regimens, since repeated low doses
- seem to be damaging. But what about isolated or infrequently given
- doses?
-
- >Schmidt CJ (1987) Neurotoxicity of the psychedelic amphetamine
- >methylenedioxymethamphetamine. J. Pharm. exp. Ther. 240: 1-7
-
- >Schmidt CJ, Abbate GM, Black CK, Taylor VL (1990a) Selective
- >5-hydroxytryptamine2 receptor antagonists protect against the
- >neurotoxicity of methylenedioxymethamphetamine in rats. J. Pharm. exp.
- >Ther. 255: 478-483
-
- An interesting paper. It made me think, "would 5-HT2 AGONISTS also
- protect against the neurotoxicity?" That would be of interest to
- the people who take LSD and MDMA at the same time.
-
- >Schmidt CJ, Black CK, Abbate GM, Taylor VL (1990)
- >Methylenedioxymethamphetamine-induced hyperthermia and neurotoxicity are
- >independently mediated by 5-HT2 receptors. Brain Res. 529: 85-90
-
- Suggests hyperthermia contributes to neurotoxicity.
-
- >Schmidt CJ, Black CK, Abbate GM, Taylor VL (1990) Chloral hydrate
- >anesthesia antagonizes the neurotoxicity of
- >3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Eur. J. Pharmacol. 191: 213-216
-
- >Schmidt CJ, Black CK, Taylor VL (1990) Antagonism of the neurotoxicity
- >due to a single administration of methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Eur. J.
- >Pharmacol. 181: 59-70
-
- Further evidence that dopamine plays a role in MDMA-induced 5-HT
- neurotoxicity.
-
- >Schmidt CJ, Taylor VL, Abbate GM, Nieduzak TR (1991) 5-HT2 antagonists
- >stereoselectively prevent the neurotoxicity of
- >3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine by blocking the acute stimulation of
- >dopamine synthesis: Reversal by L-dopa. J. Pharm. exp. Ther. 25 6:
- >230-235
-
- As above.
-
- >Wilson MA, Ricaurte GA, Molliver ME (1989) Distinct morphologic classes of
- >serotonergic axons in primates exhibit differential vulnerability to the
- >psychotropic drug 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine. Neuroscience 28:
- >121-138
-
- ------
-
- Well, if you have any other references feel free to post them, particularly
- if they use non-adversive doses of the drugs.
-
- --Matt
-
-
- ===========================================================================
-
- lamont@hyperreal.com writes:
-
- Azmitia-EC, Whitaker-Azmitia-PM, "Awakening the Sleeping Giant: Anatomy
- and Plasticity of the Brain Serotonergic System", J-Clin-Psychiatry 52:12
- (suppl), Dec 1991.
-
- "The treatement of these [5-HTergic] disorders in the adult is achived by
- using specific drugs that act on the serotonergic neuronal receptors to
- produce a pharmacologic change in the functioning of the 5-HT system. These
- drugs have proven extremely useful in correcting the chemical imbalance.
- Unfortunately, the morphlogical deficits that underlie the chemical imbalance
- often remain unchecked. In many instances, pharmacologic treatment must
- be sustained indefinitely with the added burden, in many cases, of
- increasing dosage due to decreasing efficiency of the drug/receptor
- interaction. Can the serotonergic system be morphologically reorganized
- in the adult brain using the same growth factors active during development?
- In this article we will present evidence that serotonergic neurons are
- plastic in the adult brain, that is, that they can sprout and innervate new
- target areas. Furthermore, the signals and molecules for sprouting
- in the adult brain are to a large extent similar to those functioning
- during early development. However, to activate these mechanisms, the
- adult serotonergic neurons must first be damaged or blocked. The adult
- brain detects the lack of serotonin and "reactivates" certain development
- programs to encourage their growth into the "chemically" deafferented area.
- Our work suggests that this reawakening of develpomental processes
- involves the 5-HT1A recetors located on astrocytes..."
-
- [ the above was highlighted by Matt Baggott with the editorial comment
- "Holy Shit!" attacted to it...:) further along... ]
-
- "Pharmacologic intervention can alter the growth of serotongeric neurons.
- Compounds such as MDMA (Ecstasy) have a bell-shaped curve (Azmitia, 1990).
- At a low concentration the drug can stimulate growth of cultured
- serotonergic neurons. However, at a higher dose, the drug is a powerful
- serotonergic toxin. 5-Methoxy-Tryptamine, a commonly used 5-HT receptor
- agonist, has a profile opposite that of MDMA. In culture, low doses of
- this drug can inhibit fetal development, while high doses stimulate
- growth (Whitaker-Azmitia, 1986). When this drug i sinjected into
- pregnant animals, the development of the 5-HT system is similarly affected and
- the behavior of the animals is abnormal (Shemer, 1988).
-
- Azmitia-EC, Murphy-RB, Whitaker-Azmitia-PM, "MDMA (Ecstasy) effects on
- cultured serotonergic neurons: evidence fo ca++ dependent toxicity linked
- to release" Brain-Res 1990; 510:97-103
-
- Whitaker-Azmitia-PM, Amitia-EC. "Autoregulation of fetal serotonergic
- neuronal development: role of high-affinity serotonin receptor" Neurosci-
- Lett 1986; 67:307-312.
-
- Shemer-A, Whitaker-Azmitia-PM, Azmitia-EC, "Effects of prenatal 5-Methoxy-
- Trytamine on serotonergic uptake and behavior in the neontal rat."
- Pharmacol-Biochem-Behav 1988; 30:847-852."
-